Friday, April 8, 2011

Islam and the thoughts of Jesus

Islam and the thoughts of Jesus

Questions from a Christian Brother.
I am curious, what does the Qur'an talk about the teachings of Jesus?

you guys believe that the bible is corrupt, and I was wondering how the bible have been corrupted? or has the bible always have been corrupted?

how do you guys view Jesus's disciples?do you think his disciples ever worshiped him as the Son of God.

who wrote the bible?

why did the Jews try to kill Jesus? What was Jesus doing that He deserved to die if He wasn't preaching something blasphemous like being the Son of God? (Blasphemous in the Jews eyes because it puts Him equal with Go)

Was Jesus just a really nice guy that preached Allah so they tried to kill him?

Also, if Jesus was put on the cross and then dissappeared, why were 12 men willing to lie about what actually happend and then die for their beliefs?

And why for 600 years was there no account of Jesus dissappearing? It wasn't until the Momammed days that this version came about.


Answer

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I am curious, what does the qur'an talk about the teachings of Jesus?
Brother Islam is the only non Christian faith where it is compulsory to believe in Jesus (pbuh). We believe that he was a righteous Prophet born to Virgin Mary. He healed lepers, give life to the dead by God’s permission. 1/3 of Quran refers to the people of the book.

All Prophet taught the same thing that is submission to one true almighty God. Jesus (pbuh) never heard the word Trinity or Christianity…What he preached was Islam…Islam means Submission to God (Metaphorically Father in Bible).
 
He always preached submission towards God n insisted upon following the commandments in order to go to heaven, not that believe that I died for ur sins. This is the teaching of Paul n was approved by voting in council of Nicea, where the group with the belief of his divinity prevailed over the group which simply believe him as a righteous person.

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you guys believe that the bible is corrupt, and I was wondering how the bible have been corrupted? or has the bible always have been corrupted?
Not only we believe, it’s a accepted truth attested by the scholars. Brother English wasn’t the language of Jesus (pbuh), this version is the translation of the translation.This is a very big topic just have a look at one of the example. In RSV many things have been thrown out as a fabrication.. like the word “Begotten in John 3:16”

KJV {3:16} For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

RSV {3:16} For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life..




One example of Contradiction in gospels-In Matthew and Mark while crucifixation Jesus (pbuh ) is Cursing God while In Luke he is in full command of situation.
MATTHEW(27:46), MARK(15:34) Vs LUKE(23:42/43).which one is correct???

Dr Bart author of Book Misquoting Jesus(pbuh)




How bible is corrupted….Bible is a work of scholars who decided to retain what suits to their thinking n left what didn’t otherwise there are dozens of gospels which were excluded during the process of canonization. Many talks just opposite of what the Christians believe. Gospel of Barnabas, Mary etc.

In the oldest bible(Codex Sinaiticus) Gospel of Mark finishes at Crucifixion but current days includes resurrection...and gospel of Barnabas is dropped.... kindly refer to this report of CNN





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how do you guys view Jesus's disciples ?do you think his disciples ever worshiped him as the Son of God.
We view his disciples as a HUMAN BEING. No where Jesus (Pbuh) said that I m God or worship me. With respect of “son of God” bible has got son by tons, son is a metaphorical language used in bible to describe righteous person as mentioned in "Romans {8:14} For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Not only this he has even been mentined as “Son Of Man” many times.
    



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who wrote the bible?
Bible simple means collection of books….on opening the Index we find Gospel/Book as per Mark/Matthew/ Luke, Epistle(Letter) of James, Peter, John12, Dream of Paul called as Revelation.They are the one who wrote……but there is nothing like Gospel Of Jesus(pbuh) in the whole bible. As per Christian scholars there is a Red Letter Bible where the things spoken by Jesus(pbuh) are in red, Most of the books of NT don’t even have a single red “DOT”.
                          



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why did the Jews try to kill Jesus? What was Jesus doing that He deserved to die if He wasn't preaching something blasphemous like being the Son of God? (Blasphemous in the Jews eyes because it puts Him equal with Go)
Rulers are always afraid of revolution and try to suppress it n kill the leader sme was in the case of Romans. The best and easiest way to get rid of Jesus (pbuh whose teaching was similar to revolution )was to frame n crucify him under the law of blasphemy. Romans accused him a try to misquote him, here He clarified the position that he is jst a prophet upon whom the word of God came. [Refer John 10:22 to 10:38]
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Was Jesus just a really nice guy that preached Allah so they tried to kill him?
All Prophets were nice and whenever any Prophet tried to preach the word of God others (pagans) try their level best to kill the Prophets.
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Also, if Jesus was put on the cross and then dissappeared, why were 12 men willing to lie about what actually happend and then die for their beliefs?
Brother do you knw that none of the disciples were eye witness to crucifixion as Matthew 14:50 says all his disciples forsake him n fled at the most crucial point of his life. What they say is what they have listened from others.
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And why for 600 years was there no account of Jesus dissappearing? It wasn't until the Momammed days that this version came about.
Kindly refer to Gospel of Barnabas….. which Church tried its level best to destroy but it is still there.. u will get some sort of similar version .

Brother for centuries it was believed that earth is flatbut it was discovered later that earth is spherical…so does it mean for all those centuries earth was flat??? Obviously no… it doesn’t matter wn it is discovered it was, is n will remain Spherical.
 

Same is in the case of Jesus (pbuh) no of years doesn’t matters..as he himself said that many things will be disclosed later by someone else.

The thing which matters the most is what he said while leaving.


John
16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. {16:13} Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. {16:14} He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show [it] unto you.
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QURAN
3:64. Say, "O People of the Scripture, come to a word that is equitable between us and you – that we will not worship except Allah and not associate anything with Him and not take one another as lords instead of Allah."109 But if they turn away, then say, "Bear witness that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]."

3: 42. And [mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds.

3: 55. [Mention] when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify [i.e., free] you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ.

3:59. Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was.

4:157. And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain

4:171. O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion206 or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist – it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on
the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

5: 46. And We sent, following in their footsteps,237 Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous.

5: 110. [The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit [i.e., the angel Gabriel] and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the
Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind [from birth] and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic."

5: 116. And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?' " He will say, "Exalted are You! It i.e., will Allah consent to. (His ability is undoubted.) was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.

5:117. I said not to them except what You commanded me – to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness.


Mohd Tariq

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